Coupons don't make people poor, people make people poor

Frugal Dad recently had a guest post from Neal Frankle of Wealth Pilgrim, titled Your coupons are making you poor. He had some questions within the post he posed but also ended it with some questions, so I will go through the post and answer all the questions he posed from my opinion as well as make some comments on the topic as well.

When you spend time thumbing through the paper or surfing the net for great coupons…aren’t you really just thinking about spending money?

Of course you are.

I absolutely do not, I don’t spend my time going through coupons just to spend money but to save it. I go through the ads, the coupons, and all the blogs looking for ways to save me money and to stretch what little I have.

Coupons are directly tied to spending.

I agree, of course they come from the manufacturer of the product or the store carrying the product. The companies agenda is to get you to spend, and if you don’t think about it then you will spend. And people do get caught up in couponing and buy stuff not because they need it but because they have a coupon for it. However, if you are smart about it and patient, you will wait and find a sale for the product you have the coupon for and use the coupon then to get an even better deal. If you wait for Walgreens or Cvs to have the product on sale with register rewards (walgreens) or easy care bucks (cvs) you can do even better. If you look for rebates for those items, you do the best possibly making the deal a money maker as the rebate amount is before coupons and RR’s and ECB’s.

Have you ever heard of someone telling you that they bought something just because it was on sale?

This is another tricky thing to watch out for. You have to ask yourself is it really a sale, is it really a good deal, do we really need this, will we really use it?

Best way to find out if things are really good deals is to start your own price book. Use columns and write where you got it, the size, when you got it, and how much it was. Do this for your most shopped stores. Bring the price book with you when you shop and next time you see a sale you can look to see if it really is a deal or not.

If you find it difficult or think it’s too time consuming or daunting of a task you can subscribe to The Grocery Game, which is a coupon site that tracks sales by their 12 week cycles and lists in color coded sheets if something is at it’s rock bottom price to stockpile. It cost’s to subscribe, but most people have said that they save what they pay for the site and much more. If your not sure they do have a discounted trial period. I was subscribed to their site myself, but I didn’t spend enough to justify continuing my subscription. I saved as much as I spent on the subscription so they just canceled each other out, but I was only spending around $100 a month, most families spend that a week.

Coupons were created by the Retailers Association of America probably. They did it to give you a reason to get into their store and spend money. That’s it. They know that once you’re there, you’ll keep spending. You might get a deal on toilet paper, but they’ll get you on the breakfast cereal.

He has a point when he says that retailers want to get you by getting you in the door for the good deal just so that you continue to spend and buy other things not on sale. Best way to avoid this trap is to make a list of things that you need and stick to it.

Of course, some people use coupons to stop spending money they don’t have — and I hope that describes you. But most people get sucked in. Coupons get you to buy stuff you really don’t need.

He goes to say that our trash cans being full is proof that we are buying more then we need. I disagree, I think if the trash can is full it means we aren’t using what we have. Something bigger then people getting sucked into spending more money because they have a coupon or because they didn’t just buy what was on their list and mindlessly put things in their cart is that we are a wasteful nation. A lot of people make too much food for meals and then don’t eat the leftovers.

Not to mention that many people don’t recycle and reuse items. Or that they get into just buying a new item when the old one is broke. Many people would rather buy new then spend the time fixing what they have. I have 6 people in my house my family coupons and stockpiles items at rock bottom prices and we don’t even fill up 1 trash can. Why? Because we only make enough for us to eat, if we do have leftovers we don’t let them go to waste. We also recycle/reuse and fix broken items. Just because something is no longer of use one way doesn’t mean you can’t find another creative way to use it differently; you don’t have to use something how it was intended to be used.

When I need something I go out and get it. I don’t clip coupons and then find a reason to need something. Maybe I pay more for the stuff I need than you do. But I don’t buy anything I don’t really need. At the end of the day, I spend less money as a result of not collecting coupons.

For me it depends on the person, you have to be accountable to yourself and your family. You have to be financially responsible. Clipping coupons is the it thing, you see it all over magazines. It is a marketing ploy to get people to buy their magazine, that’s one reason they are talking about it and the other as he said to try and lure people into spending.

If your smart about it, you can take the amount of money you spend now make a list of everything you buy for your house and then find coupons just for those items, that alone will save you money. Yes you may find yourself buying additional things from time to time, but when combining deals with coupons you should continue to spend only what you started out spending. There are coupon queens/kings out there who actually spend less.

A Thrifty Mom shared a post from one of her very first readers; you can see the post in it’s entirety here. The reader Jeanette wrote about living within your means and how her family made certain decisions about their lifestyle. They hadn’t always made those decisions and she speaks about that as well that hindsight is 20/20, and how they wish they knew what they know now.

I can relate to that myself, as I am sure most people can. I have tried to pass my own wisdom of my own life experiences onto my family and friends, sometimes it is well received while most of the time I get humored. Can you remember anyone warning you about something and you did it anyway? We all get advice and learn about so many things yet in the end it’s our life experiences that teach us the most. I am a firm believer that sometimes we need to fail at things and get hurt to really learn those lessons. Life is like college courses, there are parts where you learn from reading and being told and then the parts you learn from doing and experiencing yourself. We hopefully learn from our mistakes or as I read somewhere there are no mistakes just learning experiences.

“We have made financially poor decisions over the years. We have used credit cards and then felt the burden of getting out from under them as the interest quickly accrues. We have longed for things we couldn’t afford. However, in the end, we have learned to work with what we have. And I am always looking for new ways to stretch our budget. Couponing is my newest find. I started only a couple of months ago, but it has become a challenge and game for me to see how much I can really buy with my money. I find that I am spending as much or less than I was before, but am getting 2-3 the amount of things for that same money."

Way to go Jeanette! It isn’t easy, using coupons can be confusing and in the beginning you might get caught up in spending, but I think most people learn from that and get to where Jeanette is, yes Neal she buys more then what she needs, but she is stockpiling when there are sales and she is spending less then what she initial was, you too can do it.

I myself subscribe to Refund Cents, Michele Easter has made books, videos, and interviews about her coupon experiences. She compiles deals for walgreens and cvs, but also mentions a lot of other deals out there. I go to the website but also get the newsletter and she always has success stories from familys showing how much they got and for how little, you really do get inspired by seeing what other can do with coupons. And you can’t beat the cost, even I who doesn’t spend a lot of money per month saves a lot of money, one trip to walgreens I saved around $75.

Of course I also have free blogs that I go to as well, here are the ones that I follow:

For financial matters I subscribe to Frugal Dad, he has great articles, but mostly I love all the links he has to tons of other great articles.

For couponing, frugal, thrift shopping:

A Thrifty Mom
Frugal Living Skills
Money Saving Mom
Passion for Savings
Saving with Shellie
Clipping Money
Frugal Living and Having Fun
Kansas City Mamas
My Frugal Lifestyle
Saving and Giving
Thrift Jinxy

Christmas ornaments

I don't know what it is about me, but when it is Christmas I don't really sing carols. Though after Christmas when it is out of place I find myself singing them. So when I got the following email a special offer from fave crafts although I thought it was out of place I also smiled, it looks like I am not the only one who thinks of the next Christmas right after Christmas just past.

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When you go to their site it doesn't tell you anything about prices till you click join now. If you join with a 50% off offer your first Christmas Ornament craft kit at their listed BIG INTRODUCTORY SAVINGS rate is $7.49 (plus postage & processing). After the first kit it goes back up to the regular rate of $14.99 (plus p&p.

Each kit is supposed to make 3 ornaments. I don't know what the postage or processing costs are, figuring before those charges your paying $5/ornament. Am I the only one that finds that ridiculous?

Let's compare the ornaments Kit you get with this company to what a fellow blogger Just a Girl did with ornaments from the dollar store, hot glue and a hanger. I estimate after all is said and done she made both ornament wreaths for less than the price of one of their kits. The following is her post.

Let me make this declaration. I am a FIRM believer that you do not decorate for one holiday before another has taken place. Firm. Believer. Thanksgiving and Christmas are two very different feelings to me, and I don’t need decor mixing ‘em up. However…

I couldn’t resist a jump up on just one. So I’ve seen others taking part in this project, but Eddie Ross’s was my dream wreath. The colors were perfect, and that bow sang to me. He used about 80 ornaments. I did not.

I hit up the dollar store and bought these tubes of ornaments for, well, $1.00. The pink ones I picked up for 1/2 off at Michaels. I had to have the pink. Oddly enough, I actually had to buy a package of wire hangers at the dollar store. I didn’t have a single one! Wire hangers and I don’t really get along.

Like Eddie says, unwrap the wire and form a circle out of the hanger. Then, just thread the ornaments on in assorted colors. I hot-glued the hook to half of them like he told me to. The other half, I didn’t. I regret that decision.

Of course, the only problem now is that I didn’t buy enough ornaments for two of them. Inside the den is where I keep the kids’ white tree, and I thought this would be a cute entrance. Looks like I’m back to the dollar store for more!

Until then, let’s just pretend.

Okay. That’s it. Back to Thanksgiving. No more talk of this stuff.

Go to her blog and give her some love. I have quite a few posts of hers starred for future reference. Here are a few of her posts that I starred myself.

I have a confession to make

One. More. Day

Tag Tutorial

The Dresser

Greeting Card Caddy

What is it about Art Supplies?

Of course these are just a few of the posts I have starred, I have many more. Instead of sharing everything I starred myself I will let you go check her out yourself. I read it all, so take it from me you might just fall in love yourself.

junk cart

I was reading back through old post I have made and I found my junk thesis theory post. I said "I am officially on the look out for an old styled grocery cart that was originally used to tote all your grocerys home, but for which I will use to tote all my junk treasures home."

I forgot that I posted that or I would have updated on it sooner. A while back there was an ad on www.craigslist.com from a lady that said she had a garage full of stuff that she wanted gone. I had my sister call her and ask her about it and it was a ton of various things, but the bottom line was she wanted it all gone. Some people had already come and gone but there was still tons left over. We got the address and went when I got off of work. There was actually two garages full of stuff. My sister and I went junking through them both and actually found some stuff to bring home. My top two prizes from this junk day was an old vinyl red high chair


and a yellow grocery buggy. So the search for the buggy is over.

signed junker